I dont like colored in-game text trick

[Velorek]

Personally, I wish they would remove this ability. I know it seems harmless and fun to some but please realize that it can impact others who are used to assigning colors to certain chat texts to better distinguish what's what. After all, that's why the options to assign colors is there, so I can easily distinguish between groupsay, raidsay, guildsay and so on without having to actually read where it came from. Colors allow you to better distinguish what came from who, and so forth.

It's more than that though. Certain colors can be used as alerts or warning signals for certain events. For instance, I'm accustomed to seeing my battle spam hits as yellow, my misses as white and hits on me as deep red. If during a raid I suddenly start seeing a series of white or red messages fly up in the corner of my eye, I know immediately what's happening and can respond. I don't like the idea that someone else can throw that off simply because they wanted me to see their chat in red versus what I assigned it to.

I don't mean to rain on the parade but again, it's a matter of control. Why include in the interface the options to customize your own chat texts if someone else can change it for you without your consent. Besides, I could see the potential for abuse with this too. It was only a few weeks ago that several accounts on our server were banned for tampering with the chat commands and using them to impersonate other players.

[Itanius]

Why start a new thread about this?

And I don't mean to be rude, but this is a User Interface Modification site, not a soundboard for whining about capabilities that are beyond our control in modification of the UI. That's what the SOE forums are for.

[Deathbane27]

Originally Posted by Itanius

Why start a new thread about this?

And I don't mean to be rude, but this is a User Interface Modification site, not a soundboard for whining about capabilities that are beyond our control in modification of the UI. That's what the SOE forums are for.

Indeed. It wasn't discovered or first revealed here either.

Please post your complaints where those who can change it are likely to see them.

[Laffs]

Velorek , go work for the British Gov you will fit in just fine there

[laknor]

Originally Posted by Itanius

Why start a new thread about this?

And I don't mean to be rude, but this is a User Interface Modification site, not a soundboard for whining about capabilities that are beyond our control in modification of the UI. That's what the SOE forums are for.

Not to be rude but the forum description says:

Chit-Chat
A place to chit-chat about anything off topic.

[Itanius]

Originally Posted by laknor

Not to be rude but the forum description says:

Chit-Chat
A place to chit-chat about anything off topic.

[Velorek]

Originally Posted by Itanius

Why start a new thread about this?

And I don't mean to be rude, but this is a User Interface Modification site, not a soundboard for whining about capabilities that are beyond our control in modification of the UI. That's what the SOE forums are for.

Actually, I didn't. I simply clicked on "Post a Reply" to this thread here: http://www.eq2interface.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2245. I'm not sure why it created a new thread.

As for the rude comments, well that's to be expected. I was simply trying to convey feedback to a UI text modification that may or may not appeal to everyone out there, and could possibly even be construed as an exploit (I guess time will tell if Sony agrees). How silly of me to think people at EQ2 Interface would be interested in discussing that.

I seem to remember more diverse opinions and discussions on the original EQ Interface forums.

[ger]

First: this isn't a UI modification. It's a feature of the EQ2 game engine as it is out of the box. (Also SWG, I might add.)

Second: exploit? I would love to hear how this one could possibly be construed as an exploit. It doesn't require any intentional circumvention of any safeguard within EQ2. It doesn't provide the user any advantage, unfair or otherwise, and to be quite frank, it doesn't harm anyone.

I understand that color can be annoying to some, especially if you rely on channel color-coding to sort out what you need to read and what you can ignore in circumstances such as combat. But to even suggest that this could possibly be an epxploit is laughable, let alone to strongly imply that that is what you believe.

My advice to you: if you group with someone using an overabundace of color, ask them not to while grouped with you. If they refuse to respect your wishes, find another group—they probably wouldn't be too kindly disposed to your other preferences either. But to imply that someone using color is in some way breaking the ToS/EULA is tantamount to calling someone who cusses an exploiter—you may not like it or agree with it, but it's well within the rights provided them by SOE within their (SOE's) virtual world to do so.

(And if whoever is using color isn't grouped with you, ignore them and move on.)

[Vampiro]

I like lots of different colors!

[Dolby]

Originally Posted by Velorek

As for the rude comments, well that's to be expected. I was simply trying to convey feedback to a UI text modification that may or may not appeal to everyone out there, and could possibly even be construed as an exploit (I guess time will tell if Sony agrees). How silly of me to think people at EQ2 Interface would be interested in discussing that.

Changing text color has nothing to do with custom interfaces please understand that point. Its a feature that was left in the chat/text engine by SOE and does not require any custom interface. Its just a matter of typing some text into your chat field that changes the color. If this was left for people to use on accident or on purpose is a debate.

Some people feel your singling out us when it in fact has nothing to do with any custom interface. It just so happened some one posted how to do it our chit-chat forum along with many other forums. If you look at that post closer you will see you just type some un documented commands into your chat bar.

This is the chit-chat forum and every one welcome to post their thoughts on it as long as there are no rants, name calling, etc. I think a few people were suggesting you post your feelings on the official SOE forums as you'll get a better chance from one one at SOE seeing it.

I seem to remember more diverse opinions and discussions on the original EQ Interface forums.

....because people dont agree with your discussion in this thread? Every one is entitled to their own opinion. If you post something you have to be ready for comments you dont agree with. Just most people who come here want to avoid the drama on other forums.

[Velorek]

The intent of my post was not to single anyone out. I'm not even sure where that came from. I was simply bringing up some points about the topic that I felt inclined to discuss. Again, the emphasis here was...discuss. Isn't that sort of what a forum is for? Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think I was very rude about it or was shoving my opinion down anyone's throat or anything. Maybe the fact that it started a new thread had something to do with that but like I said, I clicked on the "Post a Reply" button at the bottom left. I have no idea why it did that.

I tried to be as open and diplomatic about my post as possible. Instead, everyone immediately jumps on the defensive and gives an attitude. Do you all get this way if someone shares some CC with you about your custom UIs? I didn't think so.

Regardless, just forget I even brought it up. I'm not much of a poster but I've been a longtime follower for many years. I suppose the lesson learned here is that if you don't go along with the flow, simply keep your mouth shut.

Moving on.

[ger]

Originally Posted by Velorek

The intent of my post was not to single anyone out. I'm not even sure where that came from. I was simply bringing up some points about the topic that I felt inclined to discuss. Again, the emphasis here was...discuss. Isn't that sort of what a forum is for? Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think I was very rude about it or was shoving my opinion down anyone's throat or anything. Maybe the fact that it started a new thread had something to do with that but like I said, I clicked on the "Post a Reply" button at the bottom left. I have no idea why it did that.

I tried to be as open and diplomatic about my post as possible. Instead, everyone immediately jumps on the defensive and gives an attitude. Do you all get this way if someone shares some CC with you about your custom UIs? I didn't think so.

Regardless, just forget I even brought it up. I'm not much of a poster but I've been a longtime follower for many years. I suppose the lesson learned here is that if you don't go along with the flow, simply keep your mouth shut.

Moving on.

No, the lesson is be prepared to back up your assertions when you make them. If you want to discuss you need to have more than an "I don't like..." and an unfounded allegation of the possibility of an exploit. At the moment your posts in this thread are creeping towards trolldom, and as Dolby said, many of us here don't bother with the other forums because of posts that fall into that category.

So, you said you wanted a discussion, and I did my best to reply to your original post in a manner that would allow that. Now you say forget it. Seems to me you either want to discuss or you don't. Your last reply seems to suggest you don't really want to discuss, so I have to wonder what your purpose was in coming here in the first place?

[Azoz]

Or maybe the lesson is not to expect everyone else to go with /your/ flow.

I saw some fake links with color magic in OOC once. A few confused clicks later I realized what was going on and ignored it.

I don't care for color codes because I'm too lazy to use them myself. Otherwise I really don't care about them, and haven't run into many problems with them.

I don't use your colored alert system, I've had too much trouble with chat color settings staying the same. What I find works well is to separate all of your chat into very specific categories - I have one chat window with a million tabs, and I just look out for updates to a given tab to know something is going on in combat, or group, or guild, or npc, etc.

[Sorchak]

"It's more than that though. Certain colors can be used as alerts or warning signals for certain events. For instance, I'm accustomed to seeing my battle spam hits as yellow, my misses as white and hits on me as deep red. If during a raid I suddenly start seeing a series of white or red messages fly up in the corner of my eye, I know immediately what's happening and can respond. I don't like the idea that someone else can throw that off simply because they wanted me to see their chat in red versus what I assigned it to."


What ever happened to I don't know....actually paying attention to what you are doing in combat. If it bothers you that much and is that prone to making you make some form of critical error might I suggest paying more attention in the future.

If you can't distinguish numerical feedback ( numbers designating things like hits) from grammatical ( you know that word stuff) that isn't a flaw in the chat system.

[Ertoocs]

This is an old trick that I know for certain occured quite frequently in EQ1. People made macros that very closely resembled the "so-and-so has looted object" and they'd fire it off soon after a raid mob was killed. Learn to live with it, or go elsewhere.

As far as the colors interfering with your text color settings....well, that's what multiple chat windows are for. Either move those particular types of text to a different window, or turn them off completely.

Like the others, I'm not trying to be rude, but complaining about a feature that is implemented for the enjoyment of the masses (and completely configurable to suit everyones taste, I might add) is completely annoying.

[ger]

Originally Posted by Ertoocs

This is an old trick that I know for certain occured quite frequently in EQ1. People made macros that very closely resembled the "so-and-so has looted object" and they'd fire it off soon after a raid mob was killed. Learn to live with it, or go elsewhere.

…Until you notice that the loot message is in the say/emote chat window when it should be in the group/raid chat window, and realize that whoever did it is a tool and needs to be /ignored.

But you do bring up a good point: people, in general, are stupid. People will do stupid and borderline unethical things because they think it's funny. Chat coloration ability won't change that, it'll just change the venue for their stupidity. Personally, I'd rather have them being idiots in a forum that doesn't really have any effect in the long run than have them get bored and find a way to be an idiot that might actually cause some harm. But that's just my opinion.

[Ertoocs]

Originally Posted by ger

…Until you notice that the loot message is in the say/emote chat window when it should be in the group/raid chat window, and realize that whoever did it is a tool and needs to be /ignored.

But you do bring up a good point: people, in general, are stupid. People will do stupid and borderline unethical things because they think it's funny. Chat coloration ability won't change that, it'll just change the venue for their stupidity. Personally, I'd rather have them being idiots in a forum that doesn't really have any effect in the long run than have them get bored and find a way to be an idiot that might actually cause some harm. But that's just my opinion.

It's funny, I'd get taken for that little trick everytime. I'd see the message, then start to get all PO'd about it, then after a few seconds smack my head and calling myself stupid for falling for it.

Another one that I feel for when I first got into it was I saw someone running around past people (me included) that had a macro /emote something along the lines of "so-and-so has pickpocketed 13 silver from you". I knew there was a pickpocketing ability, so thought I'd been nailed. Sat there for 5 minutes or so trying to figure out how much silver I had on me before he did that. Came real close to sending him a /tell cussing him out before I figured it out first.

In any case, yes, I agree people are for the most part, plain stupid. They'll always find way to abuse the system, no matter what system that may be. Anwhere from spamming in the chat channels, being generally dishonest towards other players, etc... It's just a fact of life, and you get used to it. Afterall, SOE didn't implement the /ignore feature for nothing.