Fetish Nightfall Full Release - Page 32

**Zonx** · #**776** 09-14-2005, 07:25 PM

firesparkz, I appreciate the feedback. In response I'd like to clarify a few things...

1) I am a designer / developer / director, not a programmer. While I do have some light programming skill, I simply do not have the tools to create EXE installers, configurator utilities or auto-updaters. More than happy to work with someone that is willing to program these tools. I'd also like to point out that EXE were banned from this site until VERY recently.

2) Contrary to your comment about having to wait for me "to catch up", I have ALWAYS released updates to match SOE's releases within 24hrs and am usually the first to post a stable custom UI update. I do not update my code based on test server code because live releases often do not match the last rev on test. Doing so has caused problems for other developers in the past.

3) My development scheme has always been to release code that steps on SOE code as little as possible, is easy for new users to install, and for other modders to extend. As a result Fetish breakage due to SOE updates is minimal (usually resolved by temporarily removing specific windows), setup is relatively simple, and many of the other sets available on this site use Fetish as a foundation, are inspired by, or borrow pieces from it.

I have always encouraged others to upload addons to my sets and have helped other developers tweak their mods to be compatible with Fetish. My goal here isn't to provide the one-size-fits-all killer UI, its to provide a streamlined functional foundation that can be customized with a host of 3rd-party addons as the user sees fit. The ultimate benefit to this scheme is a wider array of options for users to choose from, many of which do require installing addons or a package uploaded as an entirely different set.

4) As for options...

in addition to the slew of alternate files in the core download there are over 20 addons available from the Nightfall download page.

There are currently 2 Motifs and 4 themes available (that's 8 visual combos)

Goldi's Start button is skinned for Fetish and should inherit whatever theme is used. I've considered including something like this in the core set since Kosmos released the first start button but felt it over complicated initial setup for novice users. EQ2Maps is already confusing for new users.

A 3rd party configurator is available from the tools section.

The following sets are based largely on Fetish:

- Goldi's MMM - Mix and Match
- TyeJae Night Steel

The following are some of the sets that credit me but prbly don't use the Fetish foundation:

- Landiin's Extreame UI
- Jaxel's OCD Advanced
- Faetyl's ThorUI (most windows have been reworked and credits removed).

Finally, most other window mods can be installed without conflict and can be reskinned for Fetish fairly easily (Milquetowst Help Window for example).

5) The standard Fetish bag titlebars can be hidden via window options. You can also install any of the 3rd-party bag mods without conflict. Of course you'll prbly wanna reskin them if using Nightfall and upload them as addons.

6) As much as I enjoy the support and acclaim for my sets, I'd be perfectly happy to pass the torch to anyone able to build and maintain a better/extendable alternative. While some of the newer sets out rival my standard sets for features (not surprising since they can borrow ideas from existing sets), I don't think any of them are as easily extended. Virtually every feature available in other sets can be added to Fetish with an addon or 3rd-party mod.

Bottom line, I'm not interested in squashing the competition, instead I provide a foundation for others to leverage so my users can tweak to suit their needs. Rather than bloating my foundation with every conceivable feature, I encourage others to develop addons that can be dropped in as desired. I feel this provides maximum flexibility to the user and encourages aspiring developers.

I do wish more people would develop Fetish addons and utilities rather than overhauling the set and releasing it as their own, but in any event users are getting more options which makes me happy.

largofla · #**777** 09-14-2005, 07:28 PM

hello first of all i love this ui.

also the decriptions on the green plus sign when respecting your char traits and abilites are alot less informative?Is there something blocking this?I dont know but my brother who uses a differant ui doesnt have this problem.He gets alot more descriptive information on his green plus box.

This is also after updateing to 4.5

**Zonx** · #**778** 09-14-2005, 07:46 PM

Bugs

Fonts: Fetish does not include eq2ui_fonts.xml for a reason. If its in your Fetish directory, it was probably added by another mod. You either need to trash the file or update it to include every line of code in the default version.

Guild Bank: I missed adding 1 new line of code to eq2ui_inventory.xml. To resolve the issue, open eq2ui_inventory.xml in Notepad and insert the following line of code before the first <include>

Code:

<include>eq2ui_inventory_guildbank.xml</include>

Market Window: Completely overlooked this window, so the new options aren't available. They'll be included with a 4.6 release coming soon. In the meantime, if you simply can't live without the new options, delete eq2ui_market.xml to restore the default Market window. This will unfortunetly disable Market Favorites.

New Features

Tooltip Settings: Game Options )> User Interface )> Tooltips is a new group of settings for configuring your tooltips. Font size is one of the adjustable settings

Bank Boxes: Game Options )> Window Keys now has a setting for Open all Bank Boxes (unassigned by default). I recomend setting "V" to Open all Bags and Alt+V to Open all Bank Boxes

Euodia · #**779** 09-14-2005, 08:10 PM

Hey is this the updated for the DOF ??? will this work and how do i uninstall what i already have in do i just overide all files when i unzip ?????

quevven · #**780** 09-14-2005, 08:38 PM

Zonx,

YOU ROCK! Thanks for all the hard work! I love this UI.

traldan · #**781** 09-14-2005, 08:54 PM

Thanks Zonx!

Question, can we expect a return of the Personabar, perhaps modified for factions etc? I miss having my stats available at-a-glance.

Gumba · #**782** 09-14-2005, 08:56 PM

Thanks for summarizing, Zonx!

Slight correction: Market file is eq2ui_inventory_market.xml

Agreed re the addons. A sort of "grab addons and install on top of new Fetish" installer would be nice - if no one else claims the spot, I may work with you on that, Zonx. I got no clue about XML, but I do know C. And Assembler. Ooold skool, here

largofla · #**783** 09-14-2005, 09:22 PM

can someone please help me.I love this ui,i can live with out the market for now,but what im really looking for is the green plus box,That you re choose all your character abilites and respec your char.The very informative descriptions are blocked on this window,it curently only shows the very old limited decriptions from way back when.

My question is what is that window called and is there anything i can delete,rename,or anything that will allow this window to revert back to default ui setting till its fixed please?The new descriptions are really nice in this window and I don't want to screw anything up hehe.Those descriptions are prolly the most impartant window at this point.

Thanks again everyone.
Thanks again zonx I really love your ui and really helps alot,and thanks again for another quick update,I really look forward to getting all these new features worked out.

**Zonx** · #**784** 09-14-2005, 10:06 PM

largofla, delete eq2ui_mainhud_advancementchoice.xml from your Fetish UI. SOE did indeed insert a new "Examine" frame to this window that I overlooked since the old discriptions still showed.

Hope to have 4.6 released in the next 24hrs. Should resolve the handful of reported issues (plus some unreported) and include skinned versions of all the new windows.

firesparkz · #**785** 09-14-2005, 10:17 PM

Hey Zonx,

I see the spotlight today regarding the UI Installer Beta by Ger,
Definitely something that will be a big plus for many people out there.

Also I agree you have always released your UI updates within 24-Hours inline with LU patches, maybe that part came across a little harsh on that one, lol Expansions are always a ... Well you know.

My point being there is that you have such a mass following now on Nightfall due to it being well honestly in my opinion the best UI for so long that maybe a prerelease would have been nice, but now understanding your position, I can clearly see that you already have enough on your to do list without adding something else to it. (maybe some help is in order, people to help with updating sub-components on test, before go live, or even a prerelease that will at least get people up and running until full release if available. Anyway just a suggestion, I know you have sent out a message to say help is welcomed by those capable of doing so.

Yes, it is lean, well coded UI;
Suited for many peoples diverse levels of gameplay within many aspects of EQ2, not just adventuring.

Now that you have clarified your position and intentions clearly with designing this UI, hopefully people (Including myself now I have opened my big mouth)

Can help support you in providing addons.

Also thankyou will being frank on your limitations with what you can achieve with further development.

I suppose then my

INSPIRATION

Banana dance goes out to the UI Modding community,
to help further Onxa's efforts in providing the community with such a great UI.

Was just hoping that my feedback didn't sound critical that all.

It was no way intended to be.

I see you have also added a feature to open all bags and bank boxes, legend as always. Now if we can just get that Journal sorted with a few extra helpful tabs for Heritages / Writs / And other special quests etc, etc, Maybe even a complete guide to HOs (once it is updated again) tab added

I think the community will relish in joy !!

Ok without further avail I am off to install your new updated version.

Firesparkz

46 Templar of Najena

** All things that do not grow and develop eventually die **

PS > Walkalot - (I think its time I wrote a book)

Aye I can see that your not one who is capable of offering constructive feedback, it is rude to offer it if you do not clearly outline and convey your thoughts, feelings and ideas, no matter how long the post be, also if you had any experience in offering such suggestions and/or advise, you would know from experience that not outlining as I did, (rather than just critising my post then going onto ass kiss), would save yourself (myself in this case) alot of crictical posts in relation to the feedback I was giving to Onxa.

PSS > After 14 years of MUDs and MMOs and their development / play I can tell you I have seen alot of people be critical through misinteruptation of what has been writen in the context to improve something, hence in turn improving your game experience in the long run.

Special Note to Onxa - Keep up the great work bud, if anything you recieve one of the highest commendations from myself on your efforts since day dot on this UI and also the energy and effort you have put into other projects online, including your input into EQ2Maps. Where would the community be today without this, I would hate to think on that one ....

largofla · #**786** 09-14-2005, 10:23 PM

thanks for the quick reply zonx your the best.

thanks again for another timely update to your great ui.

Kromulis · #**787** 09-14-2005, 10:36 PM

Also don't know if this was posted but you can't sort your knowledge window.

opila · #**788** 09-14-2005, 10:50 PM

Love the UI. Thanks.
Don't know if it's related or not, but
crashed to desktop when attempting to change group options.

Thanks for your work.

Opila Ehrenwache
Hands of Prophets
Highkeep

**Zonx** · #**789** 09-14-2005, 10:51 PM

Kromulis, the sort button is to the left of the category buttons

I'll double-check to make sure its not dropping out when various buttons are clicked.

reflex · #**790** 09-15-2005, 12:42 AM

Great work guys I was wondering if you have got something going for guild bank notice it's not working on the new version to well

baadkitty · #**791** 09-15-2005, 12:55 AM

since the patch the only thing that I can see that is not working is the guild bank window other than that this is a GREAT UI.

ScorchingIce · #**792** 09-15-2005, 01:00 AM

When you serach the Broker. you cannot choose the new Class tab nor the level range (Even though with the new Crappy Way to browse the Broker, it doesnt filter out the harvested items etc when you set the level range to 40 - 50, they may fix it 10 weeks after you fix the UI )

**Zonx** · #**793** 09-15-2005, 06:33 AM

Evilust, Alt+~ (that's Alt Tilde) Tolgles the Start Button. Might be Ctrl+~ not possitive, can check GameOptions )> Window Keys to see all the window toggle settings.

**Zonx** · #**794** 09-15-2005, 06:38 AM

Version 4.6 is available for download.

Version notes

Don't forget to rate the download and add it to your favorites if you haven't already

This rev should resolve all issues with LU13, includes skinned versions of all new windows and adds a few subtle features.

shaggineq2 · #**795** 09-15-2005, 07:29 AM

got one problem with tryin to get from 4.4 to 4.6....

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Cirth · #**796** 09-15-2005, 07:30 AM

same here

Great work Zonx i love your ui

Kromulis · #**797** 09-15-2005, 07:31 AM

Awesome work! Thanks.

Has the target window been updated to reflect the new con system? Fetish 4.5 still had the old style where it was either arrows or fancy border. The new default target windows have fancy border and arrows at the same time.

Kromulis · #**798** 09-15-2005, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaggineq2

got one problem with tryin to get from 4.4 to 4.6....

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That's because he just added it. It has to get approved by the site. Give is a couple of hours and it should be available.

**Zonx** · #**799** 09-15-2005, 07:33 AM

LOL! Its 5:30 AM PST... there are no admins on to approve 4.6 for download. Give them some time to wake up, shower, have a cup of coffee, etc.

Note my msg says "should be available soon".

/boggle New con system? First I've heard of it. I'll have to look into that.

shaggineq2 · #**800** 09-15-2005, 07:41 AM

bah lol its dam near 8am here cmon admin WAKE UP...i got this craving and its a fetish for some fetish