[cynicalporkchop]

Ok, just a quick update from my end... I've loaded the start button on to my wife's acct, ( who can resist?) same result. we are both running fetish ui's (classic for me, nightfall for her) with only a few additional mods/changes to mine. I loaded another mod set i use with an older alt (pieces from here, there, and everywhere) still same result. I've downloaded the .zip numerous occasions starting from scratch with each mod. (ain't insomnia great!) I hope that you can prove I'm messing it up somewhere, I'd feel a lot better!

thanks again