Maintained

Laffs · #1 03-25-2005, 12:33 PM

See screenshot...

Whilst you have a buff loaded up... and cast somthing like sneak attack it will not cancel its self out so you end up with multiple icons for that combat art ... note this only happens if you have buffs loaded up.... and the ranger is the only class I have seen this happen with so far...

Bug report submitted

ger · #2 03-25-2005, 12:35 PM

Er...huh? What exactly did you do to get that to happen?

Laffs · #3 03-25-2005, 12:56 PM

Well the screenshot is of the default window and it happens with custom ones as well (of course)

Cast pathfinding
cast sneak attack on a crab
cast sneak attack on another crab

Etc etc

None of the sneak attacks cancel out lmao

But this only happens if you have a mantained buff......

No buffs , and it works fine lol

ger · #4 03-25-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Laffs

Well the screenshot is of the default window and it happens with custom ones as well (of course)

Cast pathfinding
cast sneak attack on a crab
cast sneak attack on another crab

Etc etc

None of the sneak attacks cancel out lmao

But this only happens if you have a mantained buff......

No buffs , and it works fine lol

Weird. I'll have to log in my Swashy and try it out.

Kosmos · #5 03-25-2005, 03:01 PM

Wow, I've never seen that either!

Sneak Attack isn't a maintained spell? Why is it going into your maintained window?

Laffs · #6 03-25-2005, 03:38 PM

Well thats the default window i tried it with as I thought it was gremlins in my version at first... but Turns out it cant be,

Anyother rangers want to try this ?

**Drumstix42** · #7 03-25-2005, 07:49 PM

Since when does sneak attack put anything at all in your buff/maintained window? It's an attack.. O_o

Laffs · #8 03-25-2005, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drumstix42

Since when does sneak attack put anything at all in your buff/maintained window? It's an attack.. O_o

I dunno you tell me lol

Philtre · #9 03-25-2005, 08:13 PM

I have had the same thing happen with my Bard, and always with sneak attack. I seem to remember reading on the official forum that the devs know about this and are "investigating"

Laffs · #10 03-25-2005, 09:34 PM

KK thanks for that... Dont make me look like a mupett after all then lol

**Drumstix42** · #11 03-25-2005, 09:47 PM

well I played last night, and don't recall anything like that... lol

But I don't use Sneak Attack anymore, I used the upgrade newer one.... what is it called? Shrouded Attack?

Laffs · #12 03-26-2005, 07:50 AM

Somthing like that lol

Well far as I have seen this only go's wrong with that one combat art "sneak attack"

I know what the problem is as me and kosmos discoverd how the maintained system works a while back, Basicly this spell is getting stacked in the slot order and not clearing..... Kosmos if you take another look at the screenshot for me please you will see what I am refering to

, And if anyone wants to know more Kosmos is able to explain things a lot more clearer than I can lol,

Thanks

Wiking · #13 03-26-2005, 08:14 AM

Well I do have the same problem with my new spell Refusal of Grace. After a fight I have maybe 6 icons like you that I have to right click and cancel

Kosmos · #14 03-26-2005, 08:18 AM

Have you guys made adjustments after the new patch to the 30 slot window?

They added slots to the maintained window, right now the only thing I can think is that your maintained windows got messed up in some way due to the addition of the 30 slots. Sort of how the bags windows got messed up.

Deathbane27 · #15 03-26-2005, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kosmos

Have you guys made adjustments after the new patch to the 30 slot window?

They added slots to the maintained window, right now the only thing I can think is that your maintained windows got messed up in some way due to the addition of the 30 slots. Sort of how the bags windows got messed up.

This occurs on the default window.

Kosmos · #16 03-26-2005, 09:27 AM

Well, I guess they have introduced a new bug with these spells. Much like the flashing buffs, that seem to re-appear each time they do a major patch.

Basically the way the maintained spells work is that the spells get a new 'index' number each time you cast a spell. So the actualy spell doesn't matter to the 'index' number. You have cast X number of spells, than the index number for the spell you cast next will be X+1 regardless of the spell.

I'm not exactly sure how the spells are sorted once they are in the wndow, but the slot they are in, doesn't have to do with this index number at all.
The spell in slot 2 might have an index of 5 if it was the fifth spell you cast.

Once Spell A with index #1 wears off, you re-cast that spell and it goes back in the same slot no the window, but now it's got an index number of maybe 5, even though it's the same spell in the same window.

The new problem here seems to be two fold.
#1 These spells are being tagged at 'maintained' sells, when they are not, and should never appear in that window.

#2 The spells do not have an expiration timer. So Since they do not 'expire' they never leave the window.

The really od thing is that I would expect the spells to overwright the previous spell. Like I can understand as I decribed above how sneak attack has accidentally been tagged as a maintained spell, I can even understand how it woudl not expire once it's displayed in the window.

What I can't seem to figure out is why the next time you cast the spell it's not going into the same slot and over-writing the last sneak attack you cast.
But it is getting a totally new slot.

I suspect it's got to do with the fact that each spell is for a different target? If I understand you correctly.

So it's probably a problem with the new DD they are pushing to the window aslo, with the new information about who the target is.

Hopefully you have bugged this already.

I discovered another one with the game that I reported this week.
If you collect all of your possessions in the house, it doesn't collect the bank vaults. So if you give up owner ship of yoru house, you can't get to your bank vautls withouth purchashing the house again. then go in and they will still be there.

Laffs · #17 03-26-2005, 09:33 AM

Thanks for the explanation (see I cant even spell it nvm explaine it lol)

As a note in the screenshot if you cancel anything above the the stuck icons they still all move up in the z order lmao , They do clear once you die though hehe

Kosmos · #18 03-26-2005, 09:39 AM

How did you manage to target yourself with Sneak Attack!

That I would like to see sometime! I thought flannking a mob was difficult, how in the world did you flank yourself?

Deathbane27 · #19 03-26-2005, 09:51 AM

Another thing: All maintained effects currently show yourself as the target in the tooltip.

Laffs · #20 03-28-2005, 09:09 AM

Yeh that made me wonder as well lol

, Maybe thats how my ranger is such a pussy I'm pulling sneak attack on myself all the time hehe

Ashfleebrgooben · #21 03-28-2005, 02:35 PM

I should mention that I had this issue with my swashbuckler with both sneak attack and distracting blade. I had up to 30 of them in there once. jsut to see how long it would go for.

However, after I did a big cleanup and redo of everything trying to get Laffs add-on to steelbottom working the problem has disappeared. I don't know if it was lucky chance or if they changed something in one of the updates but it's all good now.

Just thought I would point out that at least swashies may experience the same problem.

Now if I could fix it so that Swindler's Luck never shows up as an HO...

taco-man · #22 03-28-2005, 03:52 PM

i too get this problem on my troubador.

Laffs · #23 03-30-2005, 04:37 AM

Hehe, well Ashfleebrgooben I am pleased your time taken to install my mod actualy fixed somthing